i was with a guy, a black guy who develops real estate in the inner city of boston. he said i won't be taxed in the new obama tax rate in the mid-3s. that hurts me because i pay the individual rate as a corporation, and then on top of that, and then i didn't even know that, there's going to be a 3.8% tax on refer real estate transaction. >> and every investment. >> who the hell is is going to pay for this? >> you're a banker and an investment guy. if you sell your house, you're going to have to pay the 3.8% surtax on top of the payroll tax. that's really not a good thing. it should be wiped out. >> and, again, these are things that kill growth. >> could i get you to come over on this side? >> we absolutely need tax reform overhaul. we could pick each one, whether it's loopholes. >> again, governor romney has laid out a plan. he's going to make our tax system like the system in the rest of the world which will allow billions of dollars that are being held overseas to be repatriated in america to create jobs. president obama is flimflamming on this issue for four years